What do you mean? Jasper Talbot is the one who was shot and killed by Josh Martin and Dalton McCann is the one who was shot and killed by Matthew Simmons. Both Jasper and Dalton were Josh's accomplices.
1. On your last message, what did you mean that some categories you still disagree with? What do they have to do for uploading the photos of the unsubs from the episode Ex Parte into the character portal?
2. When will you be able to put a picture of Caleb Sands and put him along with the unsubs of Jasper Talbot, Dalton McCann and Josh Martin into the character portal?
Please respond to my message whenever you have the chance.
For Josh Martin and his group, I got the pictures uploaded for his people...not into the character portal yet. IMO they should be listed as unclassified killers, not mass murderers, rampage killers, or spree killers.
Putting up Caleb Sands right now, gonna put him in Devolving Killers.
Please forgive my intrusion but since you guys are discussing episode images, may I make a suggestion?
Could you take a look at our image for The Last Word, if you have the time? Rocky, correct me if I'm wrong but ideally the image we use should give you the best non-spoiler look at the plot of the episode, am I right in saying that? Personally, I fail to see how that image fits that criteria. But then again maybe it's just me.
Also, can you check out Seven Seconds and maybe A Shade of Gray to see if anything better can be found. Thanks. Sorry again for butting in like this.
That's fine, Profiler. I'm MIA on Seven Seconds, but A Shade of Gray might still work without that annoying location name in the corner. And you're right. Last Word needs an update.
Going to back to you, Rocky, I thought the ITW might work because of the woodland locations. I mean, this is the Appalachian Trail, right? Here's an idea. Why don't we get a third opinion about the images and go from there?
Finally, this is for the both of you. You may have noticed I updated a lot of the episode images over the past two days. For good reason. A lot of them, I have noticed, have a "washed-out" color and some of them just need replacing. My apologies to those who submitted originals.
Well, it's just the episode focuses on a missing child, so using the likes of Hope and Gabby or maybe even Memoriam where you see the discovery of the child's body as a template, something like that might work better than just a road sign with "AMBER Alert" on it. Images for episodes aren't my field of expertise so I try to stay away from it but these ones just stood out to me. I can get ok-ish to decent images of characters, sure, but in my opinion, the real magic is done by Rocky at the end of the day. His work is far better than the bad stuff I put up.
Yeah I have been seeing that you're uploading new images a lot lately. Now I haven't inspected all of them up close but in short, I think our pages look a lot better with the new images instead of the old ones. Nice work. Whatever you do, don't stop now.
For The Last Word, keeping with the newspaper angle, can you try to get a shot of where The Hollow Man leaves the paper next to two dead prostitutes? In the end, the paper played a big role in catching the unsubs but a single image of a page wouldn't give away too much. But again, I'm no expert.
Seven Seconds is the best it can be, availability-wise. Same with Elephant's Memory, Haunted, Cradle to Grave, Perennials, The Inspiration and The Inspired. Route 66, In The Blood, Protection, Scarecrow, Alpha Male fits same criteria.
And respectfully, some of those shots need a ton of improvement. Haunted and Protection look bland, Cradle to Grave is too blurry and has that awful washed-out color, Scarecrow looks like Taboo but with the ground, Inspiration is difficult to see because the girl's body is blocked by furniture, Route 66 looks washed-out and like a publicity photo, In the Blood and Alpha Male don't really highlight the episode and Perennials looks like a CSI photo.
And Elephant's Memory was my bad. It just needs a touch-up.
I'm gonna work on that list you mentioned 20 hours ago. I already have a new photo for The Last Word that I will submit shortly, now working on Haunted, Cradle to Grave, Nanny Dearest, The Inspiration, Protection, and Scarecrow.
As you know, I'm doing a comprehensive update of all the images on the episode pages. But I am having trouble with the "All That Remains" photo as it has an annoying yellow tint that won't go away no matter what I do. Is it possible you could help me?
Hey Rocky. Sorry to bother you but there's something I need to ask you since you're our quote specialist. Would you mind just outlining the criteria for header quotes for the different types of characters - meaning main, recurring, unsub and notable characters. I'd like to have something to refer to when I'm constructing the new pages (unless of course, yourself or someone else hasn't already beaten me to it) so any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
1. For unsubs, the best quote there is. If it is something that encompasses their character, then great. e.g. Karl Arnold. Also, if it's something they say multiple times in the episode (e.g. Jonathan Rhodes), that works. For some unsubs, they only say 1-2 lines, so we have to pick the best one (John David Bates).
2. For main characters, same criteria.
3. For incidental and notable characters, IMO the criteria has to be more strict. The show's glimpse into their characters are limited, so even throwing a 'best' quote there is for them can result in just something thrown in there for the sake of it. e.g. no reason to have a quote for Cal, if all he says is that Morgan is there at the end of Red Light.
Item #3 - that's why I removed the quote for Travis Henson in Angels. i.e. when he said "hey man, gimme the stuff."
Non-unsub character, shows up on screen for a few seconds, really just a random few words from him wanting drugs. "Less is more" in this case. Now, if he was the unsub, then we would be adding that as a quote for him, because unsub pages have a lot more detail, more info on their characters, etc. Kinda like how John David Bates only says 1 thing in the entire episode ("Wait till you see this") but has a quote for him.
Then there's some cases where the unsub has a quote, but it would be awkward putting it as a header quote. e.g. Ian Coakley, as he says "no...no..."
Yeah I remember seeing that a while back. Personally I don't even know why we have a page for him because his role in the episode is minimal but obviously someone deemed him important enough to have one. So in summary, when it comes to unsub quotes, short and sweet is best if possible as long as it sums them up well enough. Obviously there are exceptions to this but am I right in saying that?
Yep. e.g. for some unsubs like Jonathan Rhodes, he really doesn't have a whole lot of words to his character. But he says "just enjoy the ride" either 2-3 times through the end of the episode in the car. Not to mention his hacking of the cars.
So it's not great like the header quotes for Karl Arnold or Frank Breitkopf, but is good enough to do the job.
Yeah I get you. Given time on screen, that's as good as we're gonna get. The Karl Arnold one isn't so bad, maybe it can be improved a little but it's not the worst. Frank's, on the other hand, I think that fits him perfectly given his M.O. and the profile that he'd have a knowledge of anatomy.
While we're on the subject though, can you have a quick look here and tell me what you think of the quote I chose for the unsubs from the last episode, please. This is just for them as a Criminal Organization; they're still going to get their own individual pages as well and I'm still in the process of breaking down the episode so I might find something better but I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks. I used the Ellen Russell and Darlene Beckett page as a template and went with what I felt best summed up their purpose like with the women in Season 8. Struggling with what to choose for the woman Irene. Ha yeah I find some easier to remember than others myself.
I have a quote for Desi in my page for her. I know you've already chosen one, that's fine, I'll use that quote when I publish the real thing. You don't have to explain why you picked that one but could you take a look at mine and let me know if you think we can use it anywhere else in the page? Whenever you get the chance, there's no rush. And thanks for that new image of her. It's perfect.
Really? I was just going out on a whim but I was ultimately going to use whatever you chose over what I had. It's a team effort. If you think a certain quote sums up a certain character, that's all I need to know.
And you mentioned not knowing how sandboxes work. I did some research before making mine. Do you want me to explain?